September 18, 2016-- This past week, for the first time, we heard public testimony from technicians who helped set up Hillary Clinton’s email systems when she was Secretary of State then helped permanently delete emails after they were subpoenaed. Which meant that the FBI couldn’t review them. This week, The Republican-led house oversight committee held hearings. Sharyl Attkisson sat down with Chairman Jason Chaffetz to talk about the investigation.
Rep. Chaffetz: “It's one of the biggest security breaches in the history of the United States State Department. So we got to make sure that we understand how it happened, try to put that genie back in the bottle. But, it's just a major security breach that has untold implications for a long time to come.”
Attkisson: “Once I sorted through the FBI summary it was pretty clear the FBI had no idea if it saw key Hillary Clinton emails. Some of what they found was that the Clinton's Apple personal server she used for work mail couldn't be found. An Apple Mac book laptop and thumb drive that once had her email archives were lost. Thirteen of Clinton's mobile devices were lost, discarded or destroyed.” “After she was notified her records would be sought by the Benghazi committee, copies of her email on the laptops of her attorneys were permanently wiped with Bleachbit. After her emails were subpoenaed, her email archive was permanently deleted with Bleachbit from the server she was using at the time. And after the subpoena, backups of that server were manually deleted.”
Rep. Chaffetz: “It really is unbelievable. If you put this in a movie, nobody would believe it. But remember this information is so classified and so sensitive that if the adversary saw it, people are going to get killed. And it was done so sloppily. I mean, it's just the cavalier attitude that she was above the law.”
Attkisson: “Today we saw publicly for the first time technicians who took part in the BleachBitting, the permanent deletion of some of these emails after subpoena. They took the fifth.”
Video of technicians’ testimony: “I respectfully refuse to answer and assert my fifth amendment privilege.”
Attkisson: “In its partial review, the FBI found over 2,000 emails currently classified as confidential or secret, 193 emails that were classified at the time they were sent. Most remain classified today. 8 were top secret, 37 were secret and so on. And 12 of the sensitive email chains were not provided by Hillary's attorneys. The FBI found them in other ways.”
On March 10, 2015, Hillary Clinton gave a speech at the United Nations and addressed the email controversy.
Clinton: “I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified material.”
Rep. Chaffetz: “Well, and we still have literally tens of thousands of emails that they haven't finished going through. They have 14,900 of them that the State Department is reviewing, but we heard testimony last week that there's an additional universe of tens of thousands that they haven't gone through. And a lot of this stuff was destroyed.”
Attkisson: “What's so bad about the idea of some of those emails being obtained by our enemies? Has anything happened because of it? Our world hasn't exactly fallen in.”
Rep. Chaffetz: “Well, I guarantee you that people knowing the secretary's schedule does affect the world politics, the world of politics. You have everything from satellite imagery to drone strikes to--covert operators. You know; a lot of this will be untold-- behind the scenes. But what if you were putting your life on the line? What if it was your son or daughter who was out there serving this country in--maybe a clandestine way and then you had this cavalier person in Hillary Clinton just not secure the data? It puts people at jeopardy, at risk, and there's untold consequences to that.”
Chairman Chaffetz stressed that the consequences may not be visible now, but they are very real.
Rep. Chaffetz: “--like I've said many times before, she was not the secretary of fish and wildlife.She's the Secretary of State. And if you could know in advance where she was going, what she was saying, what her advisors were telling her, it gives you an advantage that isn't gonna necessarily show up on the front page of the New York Times. But it gives you that much more of an advantage. If you were playing cards with somebody and you could see those cards before they played them, my guess is you're going to win more hands than lose. So that's what was happening in this situation.”